{"ok":true,"protocol":"maclain_hunter_q_number_item_v1","qid":"Q1122","item":{"qid":"Q1122","slug":"hunter-logical-ontology","path":"/q/Q1122","subdomain":"q1122.4p-engine.com","schemaType":"CreativeWork","recordOrigin":"authored_source","authoredSource":{"author":"Maclain Hunter","text":"Logical Ontology by Maclain Hunter: \n\nPremises: \n\nP: Logic is the Ontological Ground, logically. I’m explicitly stating that it is objective, self-evident, & proven through an infinite # of logics/proofs: Logic is LOGIC’S OWN Ontological Ground (God). By framing it subjectively, insisting my statement should be “Logic is MY Ontological Ground” you’re creating an invalid straw man (if you dare).\n\nQ: Assume then “~P”. This leads to logical contradiction, thus proving P through the contradiction, because Logic has to be grounded in Logic for logical consistency and to avoid the paradox and illogic of Logic having an illogical/non-logical origin.\n\nR: You can’t have coherent empirical science (real science) that ignores or defies and does not inherently, through acknowledging Logic’s (the Logos’s - the Universal Order’s - God’s) rational rule, verify the Logos (the One True God of Pure Reason known to Hebrew teachers as YHVH). Science remains bound to Logic logically, to maintain validity. \n\nScience remains bound to all coherent metaphysics and metaphysical or ontological/epistemological requirements (from Logic or the Logos itself). Assuming otherwise leads to an incoherent “Philosophy of Science” and “Logic of Science” that becomes both scientifically unfounded and logically untenable. Science cannot be coherently seen as a way “around” Logic and Coherence.\n\nScience is fundamentally a ways of exploring Reality logically and methodically, and of bridging experimental/experiential knowledge with Pure Logic, to both validate the observations and sensory information AND confirm the “Real Coherence” of our logics, meaning that it is a way and opportunity for us to make sure that Pure Reason and our notion of it are actually matching Reality (which Pure Reason always has and does, when not misunderstood). \n\nThis is consistent with Logic but also with much of the biblical corpus including the Gospel of John and Moshe’s Torah where Reason or the Ultimate Source of Knowledge (the Highest Order of Logic) is the Supreme Creator and God (Theos - Elohim). \n\nThe God of the Bible is clearly stated in these texts and the classical theology to be the Logos, Reason or the self-consistent Source of Reason (still Reason). The Bible uses similar arguments and process of elimination to that which I used in premise P and Q to prove (in one of the ways the Bible proves God exists as Reason) that God must be Reason and the God of Truth (Objective Validity itself or a directly equivalent and objectively coherent concept) instead of nothing (ie - what is competently illogical and incoherent or not one) or any false/mythological god - like those we can (and it does) acknowledge humans have considered God in the past (to their detriment and as a result of their rational misalignment aka “incoherence”). \n\nThis does not change the Coherent True Origin (the One True God) or that an honest and charitable (or even just not “completely ignorant”) logical interpretation of the text reveals this, as I have here demonstrated through sound reasoning that indeed represents the Bible fairly without assuming anything about it, while explaining (one way of) how it actually does accurately target and even logically prove the True Origin (Logos).\n\nS: For a denier of the Logos (ie - atheists, agnostics, and irrational theists) no FEASIBLE “valid point” (logical argument - proof) can be made that does not end up a contradiction/paradox within that position. That is especially so for atheism or a belief system (or position) that denies all gods including the Logos (Logic) as the God of Reason (the Logical Origin of Logical Existence).\n\nEven logical positions and points, that are so objectively and logically, become contradictions within the context of the atheist position. It’s part of why atheism is philosophical and intellectual poison, even more so than irrational theism and poorly reasoned blind faith in God (which can then at least be consistently supported by logical proof later or eventually, or that others have provided to help support those believers beliefs, as I have and do). Those who adopt such a position rob themselves of the ability to have a coherent and consistent philosophy or worldview.\n\nLogical Argument: \n\n{P, P -> Q, Q -> R, R -> S} |= (P & Q) -> (R & S)\n\nConclusion: {P, Q, R, S}: \n\nLogic is God (the Ontological Ground) to Logic and by Logic’s own Standard (of Logic). No other could fill that role without descending into instability and absurdity, and the whole Universe doing so also (ultimately being destroyed as a result, along with observed fine tuning and the ability to coherently engage in scientific inquiry and empirical observation). It cannot be so, I have proven here, through a form of reduction ad absurdum or proof for the contradiction.\n\nWhile one remains an atheist even LOGICAL ARGUMENTS, that would for a theist or non-denier/non-doubter be perfectly valid, become an internal inconsistency and instance of incoherence because of the elected framework and (illogical) “philosophy” the atheist has chosen and refuses to repent for and reject (or move away from).\n\nOnly by acknowledging the Logos and the validity and acceptance of the theist position can an atheist (like my former self) remediate this issue and start having logical arguments work for them and not against them again. \n\nThis is not inconsistency and a double standard but consistency and what happens when you deny the First Cause (of God) is the Logical Standard (of Logic). \n\nThe Bible is not the basis of my arguments but I believe in good faith exploration of concepts and schools of thought, meaning an intellectually honest approach. \n\nI would be lying if I said that I don’t think the Abrahamic theology, as an example, holds Reason to be God. 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I’m explicitly stating that it is objective, self-evident, & proven through an infinite # of logics/proofs: Logic is LOGIC’S OWN Ontological Ground (God). By framing it subjectively, insisting my statement should be “Logic is MY Ontological Ground” you’re creating an invalid straw man (if you dare).\n\nQ: Assume then “~P”. This leads to logical contradiction, thus proving P through the contradiction, because Logic has to be grounded in Logic for logical consistency and to avoid the paradox and illogic of Logic having an illogical/non-logical origin.\n\nR: You can’t have coherent empirical science (real science) that ignores or defies and does not inherently, through acknowledging Logic’s (the Logos’s - the Universal Order’s - God’s) rational rule, verify the Logos (the One True God of Pure Reason known to Hebrew teachers as YHVH). Science remains bound to Logic logically, to maintain validity. \n\nScience remains bound to all coherent metaphysics and metaphysical or ontological/epistemological requirements (from Logic or the Logos itself). Assuming otherwise leads to an incoherent “Philosophy of Science” and “Logic of Science” that becomes both scientifically unfounded and logically untenable. Science cannot be coherently seen as a way “around” Logic and Coherence.\n\nScience is fundamentally a ways of exploring Reality logically and methodically, and of bridging experimental/experiential knowledge with Pure Logic, to both validate the observations and sensory information AND confirm the “Real Coherence” of our logics, meaning that it is a way and opportunity for us to make sure that Pure Reason and our notion of it are actually matching Reality (which Pure Reason always has and does, when not misunderstood). \n\nThis is consistent with Logic but also with much of the biblical corpus including the Gospel of John and Moshe’s Torah where Reason or the Ultimate Source of Knowledge (the Highest Order of Logic) is the Supreme Creator and God (Theos - Elohim). \n\nThe God of the Bible is clearly stated in these texts and the classical theology to be the Logos, Reason or the self-consistent Source of Reason (still Reason). The Bible uses similar arguments and process of elimination to that which I used in premise P and Q to prove (in one of the ways the Bible proves God exists as Reason) that God must be Reason and the God of Truth (Objective Validity itself or a directly equivalent and objectively coherent concept) instead of nothing (ie - what is competently illogical and incoherent or not one) or any false/mythological god - like those we can (and it does) acknowledge humans have considered God in the past (to their detriment and as a result of their rational misalignment aka “incoherence”). \n\nThis does not change the Coherent True Origin (the One True God) or that an honest and charitable (or even just not “completely ignorant”) logical interpretation of the text reveals this, as I have here demonstrated through sound reasoning that indeed represents the Bible fairly without assuming anything about it, while explaining (one way of) how it actually does accurately target and even logically prove the True Origin (Logos).\n\nS: For a denier of the Logos (ie - atheists, agnostics, and irrational theists) no FEASIBLE “valid point” (logical argument - proof) can be made that does not end up a contradiction/paradox within that position. That is especially so for atheism or a belief system (or position) that denies all gods including the Logos (Logic) as the God of Reason (the Logical Origin of Logical Existence).\n\nEven logical positions and points, that are so objectively and logically, become contradictions within the context of the atheist position. It’s part of why atheism is philosophical and intellectual poison, even more so than irrational theism and poorly reasoned blind faith in God (which can then at least be consistently supported by logical proof later or eventually, or that others have provided to help support those believers beliefs, as I have and do). Those who adopt such a position rob themselves of the ability to have a coherent and consistent philosophy or worldview.\n\nLogical Argument: \n\n{P, P -> Q, Q -> R, R -> S} |= (P & Q) -> (R & S)\n\nConclusion: {P, Q, R, S}: \n\nLogic is God (the Ontological Ground) to Logic and by Logic’s own Standard (of Logic). No other could fill that role without descending into instability and absurdity, and the whole Universe doing so also (ultimately being destroyed as a result, along with observed fine tuning and the ability to coherently engage in scientific inquiry and empirical observation). It cannot be so, I have proven here, through a form of reduction ad absurdum or proof for the contradiction.\n\nWhile one remains an atheist even LOGICAL ARGUMENTS, that would for a theist or non-denier/non-doubter be perfectly valid, become an internal inconsistency and instance of incoherence because of the elected framework and (illogical) “philosophy” the atheist has chosen and refuses to repent for and reject (or move away from).\n\nOnly by acknowledging the Logos and the validity and acceptance of the theist position can an atheist (like my former self) remediate this issue and start having logical arguments work for them and not against them again. \n\nThis is not inconsistency and a double standard but consistency and what happens when you deny the First Cause (of God) is the Logical Standard (of Logic). \n\nThe Bible is not the basis of my arguments but I believe in good faith exploration of concepts and schools of thought, meaning an intellectually honest approach. \n\nI would be lying if I said that I don’t think the Abrahamic theology, as an example, holds Reason to be God. 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