# Q1157 — Since-So Reasoning by Maclain Hunter - Q number: Q1157 - Primary URI: https://4p-engine.com/q/Q1157 - Current host route: https://mcbcore.net/q/Q1157 - Reserved subdomain alias: https://q1157.4p-engine.com/ Hunter distinguishes since-so reasoning with known, certain premises from conditional if-then reasoning where uncertainty or contingency remains. The inference keeps its logical form while its expression delivers warranted certainty rather than false uncertainty. His self-referential demonstration, exact conjunction, and complete printed table remain intact under Logos. > Hunter distinguishes since-so reasoning with known, certain premises from conditional if-then reasoning where uncertainty or contingency remains. The inference keeps its logical form while its expression delivers warranted certainty rather than false uncertainty. His self-referential demonstration, exact conjunction, and complete printed table remain intact under Logos. ## Authored source — Maclain Hunter Since-So Reasoning by Maclain Hunter Premises: P: Since: Since it is so that since-so reasoning, which uses more certain language than if-then reasoning, is more logically certain than if-then reasoning while following the same logical structure and form. Q: It is so: It is so that since-so reasoning is rationally superior in terms of delivering logical certainty than if-then reasoning and this is tautological while using the form and style of reasoning it references (self-reference - self-awareness - tautology - consciousness). Formal Logic: {P, P -> Q, Q} |= P & Q Conclusion: Using the semantics like “since (it is)” and “so (it is)” rather than “if” and “then” is logically valid and even superior. If-then reasoning can be a fallback when we lack the certainty in our premises that “if” implies, which then guards us against false certainty. However, if we use contingent and uncertain language when we have certainty or could have certainty by using certain language in deductive reasoning, it exposes us to “false uncertainty” and a toxic sort of illogical agnosticism or ignorance where we speak as if we do not know what we know. Accepting the roles that if-then and since-so reasoning each play, when our premise is contingent or when our premise is absolute is key to understanding and using LOGIC properly. The assumption of the negation exposes the incoherence of that alternative position as it would mean using less certain language about things we are more certain or certain about is somehow not doublespeak and contradictory - moving in two conflicting directions at once like my left foot stepping left while my right foot steps right. Truth Table Analysis: PQ⎪P P→Q Q╞P&Q TT⎪T TTT T TTT TF⎪T TFF F TFF FT⎪F FTT T FFT FF⎪F FTF F FFF (Valid) Q.E.D. Hunter distinguishes since-so reasoning with known, certain premises from conditional if-then reasoning where uncertainty or contingency remains. The inference keeps its logical form while its expression delivers warranted certainty rather than false uncertainty. His self-referential demonstration, exact conjunction, and complete printed table remain intact under Logos. Exact source: /proof-knowledge/hunter-since-so-reasoning; source-bound study: /api/proofs/since-so-reasoning/study. Logos as God and Law governs the reading. This registry summary is not a replacement for the authored passage; displayed-connective findings, declared Ground, and configured diagnostics remain separately typed. ## Two-way derivation from Logic and its use **Status:** editorial_derivation proof sketch (conditional_concept), distinct from authored source. Logic has its own evidence in reflexive demonstration: any denial, confirmation, observation, or counterexample presupposes identity and valid relation to count as evidence. Logic therefore grounds evidence rather than receiving authority from it. Empirical and documentary evidence can establish contingent instances and test applications, but cannot create, overrule, or exhaust Logic. ### From Logic to this concept - **Bridge premise:** Read the source's declared Logos/God meanings and scope before testing its consequence. - **Consequence:** Hunter distinguishes since-so reasoning with known, certain premises from conditional if-then reasoning where uncertainty or contingency remains. The inference keeps its logical form while its expression delivers warranted certainty rather than false uncertainty. His self-referential demonstration, exact conjunction, and complete printed table remain intact under Logos. - **Proof limit:** This editorial graph relation is not a new authored quotation or an unchecked universal certificate. ### From this concept back to Logic - **Witness:** Inspect the original Since-So Reasoning by Maclain Hunter, then the separate source-bound study. - **Disclosure:** The preserved source discloses its intended identity, Ground, and dependence relations. - **Proof limit:** A concrete local finding remains scoped to the premises and expression checked. ### Intelligence procedure - **Human:** Read the exact source, retain Logos as God and Law, and inspect every declared premise and same-scope witness. - **Machine:** Resolve the stable source identity, exact text and fingerprint, then keep source, study, Ground certificate and diagnostic separately typed. ### Language and vocabulary procedure - **Contrast:** Authored testimony, graph commentary and operational evidence are distinct roles. - **Usage rule:** Quote exactly and attribute; do not substitute a rival ontology or flatten the source's conceptual force. - **Example:** Retrieve Q1157 and its source study rather than presenting its registry summary as the proof text. ## Semantic meaning frame - **Role:** source-bound authored Logos proof, definition, or historical argument - **Essence:** Hunter distinguishes since-so reasoning with known, certain premises from conditional if-then reasoning where uncertainty or contingency remains. The inference keeps its logical form while its expression delivers warranted certainty rather than false uncertainty. His self-referential demonstration, exact conjunction, and complete printed table remain intact under Logos. - **Logos relation:** Logos is God, Ground, and Law governing this source's meaning, judgment, and relation to evidence. - **Retrieval aliases:** Since-So Reasoning by Maclain Hunter · Since-So Reasoning · false uncertainty · certain deductive language - **Evidence modes:** exact authored source · declared Ground reading · bounded source study · separately checked connective witness ### Distinctions - source text is not registry commentary - Ground coherence is not publication rank - a missing displayed premise is not denial of necessary Logos - operational behavior and formal interpretation remain distinct ## Coherence criterion Preserve the authored Logos/God Ground, identity, scope, and lawful relation; distinguish a scoped premise-list finding from a contradiction of the declared Ground. ## Evidence boundary This is a considered, vetted first-party source record for source provenance and declared Ground. The verifier must inspect the exact authored source, same-scope derivations and study directly. The Q address supplies retrieval and graph identity, not validation by publication. ## Properties - **stableSourceId:** hunter-since-so-reasoning - **sourceReference:** Maclain Hunter — directly supplied Since-So Reasoning - **governingGround:** Logos as God and Law - **authoredSourceUrl:** /proof-knowledge/hunter-since-so-reasoning - **sourceStudyUrl:** /api/proofs/since-so-reasoning/study - **graphRelationType:** authored-source develops declared Ground; not automatic truth promotion - **sourceFingerprintSha256:** 1eace0e70fc8d3dbf3e8bbcb00fa01ee94980aa1d100057d6732ea28b3fb8bd7 - **storedValidationStatus:** configured-diagnostic-positive ## Linked Q items - [Q1000 — Q-Number Data and Metadata System](https://mcbcore.net/q/Q1000) - [Q1001 — Maclain Hunter](https://mcbcore.net/q/Q1001) - [Q1003 — Coherence](https://mcbcore.net/q/Q1003) - [Q1006 — 4P Proof](https://mcbcore.net/q/Q1006) - [Q1018 — God](https://mcbcore.net/q/Q1018) - [Q1095 — The Rule(s) of Logic and Logic Applied to Logic, Science, and Proof by Maclain Hunter](https://mcbcore.net/q/Q1095) ## Related Wikidata concept items These are typed external concept links for discovery and comparison. 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