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The Law of Identity supports and even mandates this, that nothing is nothing as A is A and x = x (as 0 = 0).\n\nQ: Those who think their loved ones (L) have vanished or are “gone” in an absolute sense—just because their mortal figure has come to the end of that particular sequence or set of states—are, understandably (as they are often emotionally distraught and struggling to set emotion aside to look at it all in a purely logical way), mistaken. This is a relatively common phenomenon that we can observe in human society where people mourn the dead and ponder where, if anywhere, they have “gone”. It may be anecdotal but my own parents have, for instance, expressed sentiments that fall into this category about their own dead parents and family members. \n\nR: Everyone (E) is everyone (E) as a matter of timeless (or eternal) logical identity and it is not a mere religious belief but a necessary aspect of Logic that all aspects of Identity (and Logic) are continuously (forever) supported by Logic - in the sense of the Universe’s Logical Order that encompasses all logics and instances of Existence. \n\nS: A rational person would and should (rationally speaking and to avoid logical contradiction) value the Reason manifest in their loved ones more than any unreason or arbitrariness - like loved ones may have displayed in certain arguments or during certain (limitation induced) breakdowns in their Rationality (or ability to manifest Logic). \n\nT: Assume the negation of the premises (P, Q, R, S) for a moment to explore the alternatives. This leads to absurdity where the Rationality (Reason - Consciousness) in someone, as aligned with Reason—the Standard of what is allowed to and must exist—as they were, is somehow “nonexistent” just because of the flux of physical systems and forms that are themselves logically contingent. 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The Law of Identity supports and even mandates this, that nothing is nothing as A is A and x = x (as 0 = 0).\n\nQ: Those who think their loved ones (L) have vanished or are “gone” in an absolute sense—just because their mortal figure has come to the end of that particular sequence or set of states—are, understandably (as they are often emotionally distraught and struggling to set emotion aside to look at it all in a purely logical way), mistaken. This is a relatively common phenomenon that we can observe in human society where people mourn the dead and ponder where, if anywhere, they have “gone”. It may be anecdotal but my own parents have, for instance, expressed sentiments that fall into this category about their own dead parents and family members. \n\nR: Everyone (E) is everyone (E) as a matter of timeless (or eternal) logical identity and it is not a mere religious belief but a necessary aspect of Logic that all aspects of Identity (and Logic) are continuously (forever) supported by Logic - in the sense of the Universe’s Logical Order that encompasses all logics and instances of Existence. \n\nS: A rational person would and should (rationally speaking and to avoid logical contradiction) value the Reason manifest in their loved ones more than any unreason or arbitrariness - like loved ones may have displayed in certain arguments or during certain (limitation induced) breakdowns in their Rationality (or ability to manifest Logic). \n\nT: Assume the negation of the premises (P, Q, R, S) for a moment to explore the alternatives. This leads to absurdity where the Rationality (Reason - Consciousness) in someone, as aligned with Reason—the Standard of what is allowed to and must exist—as they were, is somehow “nonexistent” just because of the flux of physical systems and forms that are themselves logically contingent. 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This would be a violation of Logic for something and someone to become nothing and no one in a universal sense. \n\nThe solution to these paradoxes that arise from exploring the negation of the premises can simply be accepting the premises (P, Q, R, S) as semantically true and logically sound. That is what I as the reasoner here choose to do, in a well reasoned fashion that is not subject to the doubts or opinions of others so long as my move satisfies Logic itself - as I am demonstrating it does.\n\nThis is how the Logos has “promised us eternal life”, and has given the knowledge of this life to those of us who know God (Universal Cause and Cosmic Reason). 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