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Even valid interpretations and states of Reality (including physical laws) must not break logical rules or there is logical contradiction. \n\nQ: God, defined as the Origin of Reality and the First Cause of Reality/Logic sets the tone for what human logics and logical reasoning must align with. If logics don’t align with First Cause then they are (tautologically) misaligned with First Cause (Logic’s Ground - God) - thus logically incoherent in the framework of that Highest Order of Logic determined by Reality’s Identity and identity consistent First Cause. Logic must be aligned with Reality’s First Cause. If you have Logic (A) then you have Reality (B), and Reality’s Origin also called God (C), and this proof proves there is Logic (A), thus this proof existing (even if logically invalid - which also requires the existence of Logic to determine) proves that B and C or Reality and Reality’s Origin (God) exist. This can be formalized as: \n\n{A -> B, A -> C} |= A -> (B & C) \n\nR: God, in our subjective conception of God, must be logically coherent with logics that are logically coherent with the First Cause and the Highest Order of Logic, or contradiction arises. \n\nS: Assume the negation of the premises. This leads to logical contradiction where either/both the Foundation of Reality (or God) and the “Way We Know Reality” (Logic) are misaligned and and logically incoherent - which cannot be, logically speaking, and for a stable and intelligible Reality to exist where we can even ponder these things and write a proof like this that refers to itself (in this way). Note also that the acceptance or denial of the premises is not to be both rational and arbitrary at once. It is not that I accept the premises because I merely want to, but because accepting them satisfies Logic and allows the proof to satisfy Logic while the assumption of the negation and the denial of the premises or any single premises does not. \n\nFormal Reasoning: \n\n{P, P & Q, Q & R, R & S} |= (P <-> Q) <-> (R <-> S)\n\nConclusion: {P, Q, R, S, A, B, C}: \n\nLogic is determined by God (the logically consistent First Cause of Logic) in a self-referential way, like this proof is coherent through self-referencing logical alignment, and this is the only way Reality can exist in such a way that I can write (and you can read) this. This is what we can know when we listen to what Logic has to say about itself. \n\nLogic being proof of Reality & God entails “A -> (B & C)” and vice versa. \n\nThis is not a dual grounding of Unified Reason (God - Logic) but dual purposes and aspects of the unified answer singular Logic of Reality (Source of Existence - God - Logos) that allows for both Existence and the logical reasoning (and minds) that process information within Reality. \n\nFlaw would have to be found in the premises but to find a flaw in these premises would mean finding a flaw in Logic and the “Reality-Coherence” (the alignment with Existence) of Logic itself - destroying what premises formal logics in general are built upon. This is not the path forward, accepting what can and does satisfy Logic is the path forward (to Wisdom and valid understanding of the Logos).\n\nSchools of thought like atheism and naturalism can’t avoid the Foundation of Self-Existent Logic. Even if we say Reality came to be in a “Natural Way” (by a “Universal Logic”) that’s no different than the Logos (Universal Logic) and would wrongly be dividing what is logical from what is natural (creating a false dilemma). \n\nEven if we say that Logic has no Origin (God - Logos), ignoring the PSR and the need for all things including Logic and Reality to have Logical Cause (in Logic or logically derived concepts), then Logic is self-existent as the Logical Ground of Logic, reasoning, and systems STILL. Atheism and naturalism are cheap excuses for a (logically impossible) “valid way around Logic” - which fundamentally, when “logics” are seen as “ways” and/or “rational ways” is tantamount or saying we might find a “way around ways” - which is completely absurd and a violation of the Law of Non-Contradiction. \n\nDenying the PSR to deny that a God is necessary for the Universe and logics, and a God (Universal Cause) consistent with Logic (per the PSR) is absurd, but it makes it inconsistent to require reasoning from people for anything then, including their belief in a God (ie - theism). Atheists often like to have it both ways where the implication of the PSR is ignored when it comes to God and the need for God’s existence as Logic that the PSR implies, while maintaining a similar or identical principle when it comes to theists needing to prove God exists to justify theism (ie - produce rational cause for belief). Be consistent and respect the PSR. Again, it’s not optional, it’s a well reasoned logical rule. To fail to respect it is incoherent and can be known as such when measured properly against the logical ruleset. \n\nTo deny that Logic is God just to avoid admitting there is a God is also invalid as God is an English word with a specific meaning, referring to that which rules and underpins Truth and Reality, and it is illogical to deny that Logic holds this position and plays this role - especially if the complaint against some notions or statements about God is that they are unreasonable and unscientific. If you respect Reason then respect that Reason is Number One in the Logical Order - the Supreme Being. \n\nLogic understood holistically is both descriptive and prescriptive, and must be for our reasoning and the Structure of Reality (Universal Logic) to cohere and exist as a unified structure of Existence and understanding. 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Even valid interpretations and states of Reality (including physical laws) must not break logical rules or there is logical contradiction. \n\nQ: God, defined as the Origin of Reality and the First Cause of Reality/Logic sets the tone for what human logics and logical reasoning must align with. If logics don’t align with First Cause then they are (tautologically) misaligned with First Cause (Logic’s Ground - God) - thus logically incoherent in the framework of that Highest Order of Logic determined by Reality’s Identity and identity consistent First Cause. Logic must be aligned with Reality’s First Cause. If you have Logic (A) then you have Reality (B), and Reality’s Origin also called God (C), and this proof proves there is Logic (A), thus this proof existing (even if logically invalid - which also requires the existence of Logic to determine) proves that B and C or Reality and Reality’s Origin (God) exist. This can be formalized as: \n\n{A -> B, A -> C} |= A -> (B & C) \n\nR: God, in our subjective conception of God, must be logically coherent with logics that are logically coherent with the First Cause and the Highest Order of Logic, or contradiction arises. \n\nS: Assume the negation of the premises. This leads to logical contradiction where either/both the Foundation of Reality (or God) and the “Way We Know Reality” (Logic) are misaligned and and logically incoherent - which cannot be, logically speaking, and for a stable and intelligible Reality to exist where we can even ponder these things and write a proof like this that refers to itself (in this way). Note also that the acceptance or denial of the premises is not to be both rational and arbitrary at once. It is not that I accept the premises because I merely want to, but because accepting them satisfies Logic and allows the proof to satisfy Logic while the assumption of the negation and the denial of the premises or any single premises does not. \n\nFormal Reasoning: \n\n{P, P & Q, Q & R, R & S} |= (P <-> Q) <-> (R <-> S)\n\nConclusion: {P, Q, R, S, A, B, C}: \n\nLogic is determined by God (the logically consistent First Cause of Logic) in a self-referential way, like this proof is coherent through self-referencing logical alignment, and this is the only way Reality can exist in such a way that I can write (and you can read) this. This is what we can know when we listen to what Logic has to say about itself. \n\nLogic being proof of Reality & God entails “A -> (B & C)” and vice versa. \n\nThis is not a dual grounding of Unified Reason (God - Logic) but dual purposes and aspects of the unified answer singular Logic of Reality (Source of Existence - God - Logos) that allows for both Existence and the logical reasoning (and minds) that process information within Reality. \n\nFlaw would have to be found in the premises but to find a flaw in these premises would mean finding a flaw in Logic and the “Reality-Coherence” (the alignment with Existence) of Logic itself - destroying what premises formal logics in general are built upon. This is not the path forward, accepting what can and does satisfy Logic is the path forward (to Wisdom and valid understanding of the Logos).\n\nSchools of thought like atheism and naturalism can’t avoid the Foundation of Self-Existent Logic. Even if we say Reality came to be in a “Natural Way” (by a “Universal Logic”) that’s no different than the Logos (Universal Logic) and would wrongly be dividing what is logical from what is natural (creating a false dilemma). \n\nEven if we say that Logic has no Origin (God - Logos), ignoring the PSR and the need for all things including Logic and Reality to have Logical Cause (in Logic or logically derived concepts), then Logic is self-existent as the Logical Ground of Logic, reasoning, and systems STILL. Atheism and naturalism are cheap excuses for a (logically impossible) “valid way around Logic” - which fundamentally, when “logics” are seen as “ways” and/or “rational ways” is tantamount or saying we might find a “way around ways” - which is completely absurd and a violation of the Law of Non-Contradiction. \n\nDenying the PSR to deny that a God is necessary for the Universe and logics, and a God (Universal Cause) consistent with Logic (per the PSR) is absurd, but it makes it inconsistent to require reasoning from people for anything then, including their belief in a God (ie - theism). Atheists often like to have it both ways where the implication of the PSR is ignored when it comes to God and the need for God’s existence as Logic that the PSR implies, while maintaining a similar or identical principle when it comes to theists needing to prove God exists to justify theism (ie - produce rational cause for belief). Be consistent and respect the PSR. Again, it’s not optional, it’s a well reasoned logical rule. To fail to respect it is incoherent and can be known as such when measured properly against the logical ruleset. \n\nTo deny that Logic is God just to avoid admitting there is a God is also invalid as God is an English word with a specific meaning, referring to that which rules and underpins Truth and Reality, and it is illogical to deny that Logic holds this position and plays this role - especially if the complaint against some notions or statements about God is that they are unreasonable and unscientific. If you respect Reason then respect that Reason is Number One in the Logical Order - the Supreme Being. \n\nLogic understood holistically is both descriptive and prescriptive, and must be for our reasoning and the Structure of Reality (Universal Logic) to cohere and exist as a unified structure of Existence and understanding. 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