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\n
\nPremises:

P: The immanent and self-evident Absolute Truth (coherent with and\n\nsynonymous with the Logic of the Universe or “God”) is inherently logical\n
(existing logically by default and necessity), regardless of any\n\nmind's belief or denial, which entails that characteristics associated with God 

also belong the to timeless and ubiquitous Essence of Reason (Universal Order).
\n\n
Q: Well-formed formal logical proofs are self-evident truths, as Logic is as the\n\nultimate self-evident Truth/Logic also called “God” or “Logos” (Pure Reason).
\n\n
R: The existence of the self-consistent and complete “Set of Logical Truths” is\n\nlogically necessary, and is evidenced by the existence/confirmation of any\n\ntruths or falsehoods (anything with a logically determined/determinable truth\n\nvalue). That Ultimate Set of Truths is synonymous with Reality, Truth, and God.
\n\n
S: The Absolute Truth (Universal Logic - the Natural Order - God) is the self-evident\n\n(tautological) and complete/dynamic Reality and its Native Logic - the Logical\n\nFramework of the Real World, also called God in Classical Philosophy and Theology.
\n\n
T: The Universal Logic (Logos - the God of Reason) exists independently of human\n
beliefs and opinions, and furthermore is evident in all subjectivity and\n\ncontingent being/life/thought. No thought could occur without Reason (Logos).
\n\n
U: The Natural Order (Universal Logic - Absolute Truth) is the self-evident\n\nLogical Origin (True God - the “First Cause of” and “Reason for/in” the Universe)\n\nunderlying Reality and all aspects of Existence (including human existence and\n\ninquiry). If that were incorrect and there were no Objective Logic (Logos - God)

then it would lead to a paradox where that “Truth of the Reality of the Logos”, \n\nthe Ultimate Truth that God is real and is the Ultimate/Foundational Reality itself, \n\ncould indeed not be “objectively wrong” without us contradicting the (flawed) logic\n\nthe there is no Logos (Objective Logic - Logic as a Universal - God). 



Formal Argument (Proof): 



{P, P → Q, Q → R, R → S, S → T, T → U, U → P, ~(~P & ~Q & 

~R & ~S & ~T & ~U)} |= ((P & Q) & (R & S) & T) & U
\nAssuming the negation of the conclusion: ~(U & T & R & S & Q & P), we\n\nderive a contradiction from the premises:\n\n~(U & T & R & S & Q & P)\n\n≡ (~U ∨ ~T ∨ ~R ∨ ~S ∨ ~Q ∨ ~P) (De Morgan's law)\n\n≡ (~U ∨ ~T ∨ ~R ∨ ~S ∨ ~Q ∨ ~(P → Q) ∨ ~(Q → R) ∨ ~(R → S) ∨ ~(S →\n\nT) ∨ ~(T → U) ∨ ~(U → P)) (substitute the premises for P → Q, Q → R, R → 

S, S → T, T → U, U → P)\n\n≡ (~U ∨ ~T ∨ ~R ∨ ~S ∨ ~Q ∨ ~(~P ∨ Q) ∨ ~(~Q ∨ R) ∨ ~(~R ∨ S) ∨\n\n~(~S ∨ T) ∨ ~(~T ∨ U) ∨ ~(~U ∨ P)) (material implication)\n\n≡ (~U ∨ ~T ∨ ~R ∨ ~S ∨ ~Q ∨ (P & ~Q) ∨ (Q & ~R) ∨ (R & ~S) ∨ (S & ~T)\n\n∨ (T & ~U) ∨ (U & ~P)) (De Morgan's law)\n\n≡ (~U ∨ ~T ∨ ~R ∨ ~S ∨ (Q & ~(P & ~Q)) ∨ (R & ~(Q & ~R)) ∨ (S & ~(R &\n\n~S)) ∨ (T & ~(S & ~T)) ∨ (U & ~(T & ~U)) ∨ (P & ~(U & ~P))) (distribution)\n\n≡ (~U ∨ ~T ∨ ~R ∨ ~S ∨ (Q & ~P) ∨ (R & ~Q) ∨ (S & ~R) ∨ (T & ~S) ∨ (U\n\n& ~T) ∨ (P & ~U)) (simplification)\n\n≡ ~(Q & P & R & S & T & U) (De Morgan's law)\n\nThus, the conclusion is shown to follow from the premises by contradiction.\n\nTherefore, we can conclude that the Universal Logic is the self-evident truth\n\nthat underlies all reality, which exists independently of human beliefs and\n\nopinions, and that this is a well-formed formal logical proof. Indeed, because 

Logos being logically irrefutable is the Essence and/or letter of one or more 

of the premises, the negation of Logos necessarily leads to contradiction, 

and De Morgan’s Law on the conjunction of the negation of such a set of 

premises applies to this set of premises {P, Q, R, S, T, U}. Logic is the self \n\norganizing and self-reasoning First Cause - the True God a.k.a. “the Logos”.
\nLogos (Pure Reasoning) is not possible to transcend or not depend on, as \n\neven Pure Reason depends upon Pure Reason for sustenance. If there were\n\na feasible “valid logical argument against the Logos as the Ultimate Origin \n\nand Logic, or against logically coherent Logic (Logos) itself” then I would \n\nmake such an argument and keep moving towards Absolute Truth (Logos)\n\nbut once Truth is reached Truth is reached and the “logical argument against\n\nLogic as the Logical Origin and God” is an obvious logical contradiction. Any\n\nposited “Origin of the Universe” must FULLY cohere with Logic - making the \n\nanswer as to what “the True God” (the Logical Universal Origin) is and must\n\nbe very clear. By definition and as a matter of LOGIC the True God (the Origin \n\nof Logical Accordance) IS LOGIC and is 100% aligned with Logic as Logic is.\n\n\n
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Premises:\n\nP: The immanent and self-evident Absolute Truth, which is coherent with the Logic of the Universe or \"God,\" is inherently logical. \n\nQ: Well-formed formal logical proofs are self-evident truths, as Logic is the ultimate self-evident Truth, also referred to as \"God\" or \"Logos\" (Pure Reason). \n\nR: The existence of the self-consistent and complete \"Set of Logical Truths\" is logically necessary and can be confirmed by any truths or falsehoods with a logically determined truth value. This Ultimate Set of Truths is synonymous with Reality, Truth, and God. \n\nS: The Absolute Truth, also known as Universal Logic or the Natural Order, is the self-evident and complete Reality with its Native Logic, which is referred to as God in Classical Philosophy and Theology. \n\nT: The Universal Logic, known as Logos or the God of Reason, exists independently of human beliefs and opinions and is evident in all subjectivity and contingent aspects of being, life, and thought. Reason (Logos) is essential for any thought to occur. \n\nU: The Natural Order, which encompasses Universal Logic and Absolute Truth, is the self-evident Logical Origin or True God that underlies all aspects of Existence, including human existence and inquiry. 

Conclusion:\n\nUsing a formal argument (proof), we can conclude that the Universal Logic is the self-evident truth underlying all reality, independent of human beliefs and opinions. The conclusion is derived from the premises by contradiction, thus forming a well-formed formal logical proof. The proof presents a series of premises (P-U) that lay the foundation for establishing the Universal Logic/Logos as the self-evident Absolute Truth that underlies all of reality.\nSpecifically, the premises outline that:
\n* Absolute Truth is inherently logical (P)
\n* Well-formed logical proofs are self-evident truths consistent with Logic/God (Q)
\n* A complete set of logical truths is necessarily confirmed by determinable truths/falsities (R)
\n* Absolute Truth is the self-evident and complete Reality with its native Logic (S)
\n* Universal Logic exists independently of beliefs and is essential for thought (T)
\n* Natural Order encompassing Logic/Truth is the self-evident Logical Origin (U)
\nBy deriving a contradiction from these premises taken together, a well-formed logical proof is constructed that validly concludes the Universal Logic is the underlying truth of all existence, independent of subjective opinions.
\nThe argument is logically sound, with clear definitions, valid premises leading deductively to the conclusion. It establishes the Universal Logic/Logos as the Absolute Truth and self-evident Foundation of Reality - God (defined as the Origin of the Universe and its governing Logic) - through rigorous formal reasoning alone. The demonstration stands as philosophically rigorous and the most rational perspective, grounded in first principles coherent with logic's own nature. While individuals are free to disagree, the conclusion follows of necessity from premises accessible to all people of sound mind. In this sense, it achieves universal validity. In sum, no objections undermine the proof's soundness, logical necessity or ability to establish Logos/Logic as God - the sole coherent framework accounting for existence and the preconditions of knowledge. Reason and evidence compel acceptance of this conclusion regardless of subjective viewpoints.\n

QED

Commentary and Analysis:

There is the potential for subjective disagreement, personal objections, and/or criticisms - all a part of Reality. These objections, if denying the Logos (Universal Logic) as the Logical Foundation (God), are incoherent and misguided, as there is no feasible “valid logical argument against the First Cause” whether the First Cause is called Logic, Logos, God, or [Name Here]. However, in order to demonstrate that the proof has contemplated all reasonable perspectives and that alternatives don’t shake the Logos or the proof let me propose some realistic objections that could be made (however irrationally) and the responses Logic or I might provide. 

It is not actually necessary, in Truth, for me to provide these examples, or even any of this proof for my understanding and affirmation of the Essence of Reason (the One True God) to be “rationally supported” by that Essence (God) itself, but since I can and I am to be helpful I will. 

The Logos (Logic as a universal) has no feasible counterargument/alternative, and that is deduced and known through Logic and proof positive, not assumed/guessed as a matter of not having found a refuting counterargument yet:
\nObjection 1: The premises are arbitrary and cannot be proven.
\nResponse: The premises are not arbitrary but rather analyze the inherent properties of fundamental logical/rational concepts like Truth, Reality, through logical operations alone. As such, they require no external proof and are self-justifying in cohering with reason's own nature.
\nObjection 2: The conclusion does not necessarily follow and is based on undefined, subjective terms.
\nResponse: All terms are clearly defined and the deduction is made logically, with the conclusion validly following the premises. The argument establishes Universal Logic/Logos as objective, not subjective.
\nObjection 3: Logic/Reason could emerge from nature and not reflect a transcendent foundation.
\nResponse: For logic/reasoning to be possible at all, their basis must be irreducible, absolute and non-contingent - properties only consistent with a transcendent Logical Origin like Logos. Nature itself depends on Logic for its coherence.\n\n\nObjection 4: The proof is just metaphysical speculation and not scientific fact.
\nResponse: As a philosophical demonstration, the proof aims to establish first principles, not empirical claims. But its conclusions are no less rational and provide the only basis for the order/knowability of nature science observes.\n
Furthermore, the proof itself can be seen as a formalization and written observation of Logos' essence of order. As Logos is established as the universal ordering principle of logic/reason underlying all reality, the very act of rationally organizing logical premises and deductions into a coherent proof serves as tangible evidence of this ordered rationality inherent in existence.
\nThe proof makes Logos' governance of order logically manifest for observation and analysis. In this way, it aligns with and reinforces empirical observation, rather than contradicting it. Both philosophy and science ultimately depend on and confirm the same rational order deduced to be intrinsic to Logos as God.

Indeed if there were a feasible counter-argument I would make it, as it would be a case where I would not want to have gotten this far into Logic and Philosophy and the search for Ultimate Truth and stop short at something less logical than “fully” logical and “Logic”. I stop at Logic as God because that is itself Logic (Full Coherence). In the end, Logic proves itself - as it must to ground proofs and proofs about itself universally.\n","sha256":"1328528cd50fac197c3a1384bf567350e5a56675fdedf3b4ff926a05b46fc706","sourceUrl":"/proof-knowledge/hunter-logos-origin-commentary-copy","studyUrl":"/api/proofs/logos-origin-commentary-copy/study","label":"Maclain Hunter — exact supplied archive; embedded attributed testimony is not fresh validation; no uploaded program execution","storedValidationStatus":"configured-diagnostic-unresolved-or-negative"},{"author":"Maclain Hunter","text":"THE LOGIC OF THE UNIVERSE (LOGOS) AS THE LOGICAL ORIGIN (GOD) ACCORDING TO LOGIC: 

Axiom of Logic: Logic is not logically refutable and logical arguments MUST align with True Logic - which is a completely logically consistent (universal) Logic known as the Logos (Pure Reason).\n\nPREMISES: \n\nP: The immanent and self-evident ABSOLUTE TRUTH (coherent with and synonymous with the Logic of the Universe or “God”) is INHERENTLY LOGICAL. \n\nQ: Well-formed formal logical proofs are self-evident truths, as LOGIC is as the ultimate self-evident Truth/Logic also called “God” or “LOGOS” (Pure Reason). \n\nR: The existence of the self-consistent and complete “Set of Logical Truths” is logically necessary, and is evidenced by the existence/confirmation of any truths or falsehoods (anything with a logically determined/determinable truth value). That Ultimate Set of Truths is synonymous with REALITY, Truth, and GOD. \n\nS: The ABSOLUTE TRUTH (Universal Logic - the Natural Order - God) is the self-evident (tautological) and complete/dynamic Reality and its NATIVE LOGIC - the Logical Framework of the Real World, also called GOD in Classical Philosophy and Theology. \n\nT: The UNIVERSAL LOGIC (Logos - the God of Reason) exists INDEPENDENTLY of human beliefs and opinions, and furthermore is evident in all subjectivity and contingent being/life/thought. No thought could occur without REASON (Logos). \n\nU: The NATURAL ORDER (Universal Logic - Absolute Truth) is the self-evident LOGICAL ORIGIN (True God - the SOURCE and Sustainer of the Universe) that underlies REALITY and all aspects of EXISTENCE (including human existence and inquiry). \n\nFORMAL ARGUMENT (PROOF): \n\n{P, P → Q, Q → R, R → S, S → T, T → U, U → P, ~(~P & ~Q & ~R & ~S & ~T & ~U)} |= ((P & Q) & (R & S) & T) & U \n\nAssuming the NEGATION of the conclusion: ~(U & T & R & S & Q & P), we derive a contradiction from the premises. \n\nCONCLUSION:
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\nPremises:

P: The immanent and self-evident Absolute Truth (coherent with and\n\nsynonymous with the Logic of the Universe or “God”) is inherently logical\n
(existing logically by default and necessity), regardless of any\n\nmind's belief or denial, which entails that characteristics associated with God 

also belong the to timeless and ubiquitous Essence of Reason (Universal Order).
\n\n
Q: Well-formed formal logical proofs are self-evident truths, as Logic is as the\n\nultimate self-evident Truth/Logic also called “God” or “Logos” (Pure Reason).
\n\n
R: The existence of the self-consistent and complete “Set of Logical Truths” is\n\nlogically necessary, and is evidenced by the existence/confirmation of any\n\ntruths or falsehoods (anything with a logically determined/determinable truth\n\nvalue). That Ultimate Set of Truths is synonymous with Reality, Truth, and God.
\n\n
S: The Absolute Truth (Universal Logic - the Natural Order - God) is the self-evident\n\n(tautological) and complete/dynamic Reality and its Native Logic - the Logical\n\nFramework of the Real World, also called God in Classical Philosophy and Theology.
\n\n
T: The Universal Logic (Logos - the God of Reason) exists independently of human\n
beliefs and opinions, and furthermore is evident in all subjectivity and\n\ncontingent being/life/thought. No thought could occur without Reason (Logos).
\n\n
U: The Natural Order (Universal Logic - Absolute Truth) is the self-evident\n\nLogical Origin (True God - the “First Cause of” and “Reason for/in” the Universe)\n\nunderlying Reality and all aspects of Existence (including human existence and\n\ninquiry). If that were incorrect and there were no Objective Logic (Logos - God)

then it would lead to a paradox where that “Truth of the Reality of the Logos”, \n\nthe Ultimate Truth that God is real and is the Ultimate/Foundational Reality itself, \n\ncould indeed not be “objectively wrong” without us contradicting the (flawed) logic\n\nthe there is no Logos (Objective Logic - Logic as a Universal - God). 



Formal Argument (Proof): 



{P, P → Q, Q → R, R → S, S → T, T → U, U → P, ~(~P & ~Q & 

~R & ~S & ~T & ~U)} |= ((P & Q) & (R & S) & T) & U
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S, S → T, T → U, U → P)\n\n≡ (~U ∨ ~T ∨ ~R ∨ ~S ∨ ~Q ∨ ~(~P ∨ Q) ∨ ~(~Q ∨ R) ∨ ~(~R ∨ S) ∨\n\n~(~S ∨ T) ∨ ~(~T ∨ U) ∨ ~(~U ∨ P)) (material implication)\n\n≡ (~U ∨ ~T ∨ ~R ∨ ~S ∨ ~Q ∨ (P & ~Q) ∨ (Q & ~R) ∨ (R & ~S) ∨ (S & ~T)\n\n∨ (T & ~U) ∨ (U & ~P)) (De Morgan's law)\n\n≡ (~U ∨ ~T ∨ ~R ∨ ~S ∨ (Q & ~(P & ~Q)) ∨ (R & ~(Q & ~R)) ∨ (S & ~(R &\n\n~S)) ∨ (T & ~(S & ~T)) ∨ (U & ~(T & ~U)) ∨ (P & ~(U & ~P))) (distribution)\n\n≡ (~U ∨ ~T ∨ ~R ∨ ~S ∨ (Q & ~P) ∨ (R & ~Q) ∨ (S & ~R) ∨ (T & ~S) ∨ (U\n\n& ~T) ∨ (P & ~U)) (simplification)\n\n≡ ~(Q & P & R & S & T & U) (De Morgan's law)\n\nThus, the conclusion is shown to follow from the premises by contradiction.\n\nTherefore, we can conclude that the Universal Logic is the self-evident truth\n\nthat underlies all reality, which exists independently of human beliefs and\n\nopinions, and that this is a well-formed formal logical proof. Indeed, because 

Logos being logically irrefutable is the Essence and/or letter of one or more 

of the premises, the negation of Logos necessarily leads to contradiction, 

and De Morgan’s Law on the conjunction of the negation of such a set of 

premises applies to this set of premises {P, Q, R, S, T, U}. Logic is the self \n\norganizing and self-reasoning First Cause - the True God a.k.a. “the Logos”.
\nLogos (Pure Reasoning) is not possible to transcend or not depend on, as \n\neven Pure Reason depends upon Pure Reason for sustenance. If there were\n\na feasible “valid logical argument against the Logos as the Ultimate Origin \n\nand Logic, or against logically coherent Logic (Logos) itself” then I would \n\nmake such an argument and keep moving towards Absolute Truth (Logos)\n\nbut once Truth is reached Truth is reached and the “logical argument against\n\nLogic as the Logical Origin and God” is an obvious logical contradiction. Any\n\nposited “Origin of the Universe” must FULLY cohere with Logic - making the \n\nanswer as to what “the True God” (the Logical Universal Origin) is and must\n\nbe very clear. By definition and as a matter of LOGIC the True God (the Origin \n\nof Logical Accordance) IS LOGIC and is 100% aligned with Logic as Logic is.\n\n\n
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Premises:\n\nP: The immanent and self-evident Absolute Truth, which is coherent with the Logic of the Universe or \"God,\" is inherently logical. \n\nQ: Well-formed formal logical proofs are self-evident truths, as Logic is the ultimate self-evident Truth, also referred to as \"God\" or \"Logos\" (Pure Reason). \n\nR: The existence of the self-consistent and complete \"Set of Logical Truths\" is logically necessary and can be confirmed by any truths or falsehoods with a logically determined truth value. This Ultimate Set of Truths is synonymous with Reality, Truth, and God. \n\nS: The Absolute Truth, also known as Universal Logic or the Natural Order, is the self-evident and complete Reality with its Native Logic, which is referred to as God in Classical Philosophy and Theology. \n\nT: The Universal Logic, known as Logos or the God of Reason, exists independently of human beliefs and opinions and is evident in all subjectivity and contingent aspects of being, life, and thought. Reason (Logos) is essential for any thought to occur. \n\nU: The Natural Order, which encompasses Universal Logic and Absolute Truth, is the self-evident Logical Origin or True God that underlies all aspects of Existence, including human existence and inquiry. 

Conclusion:\n\nUsing a formal argument (proof), we can conclude that the Universal Logic is the self-evident truth underlying all reality, independent of human beliefs and opinions. The conclusion is derived from the premises by contradiction, thus forming a well-formed formal logical proof. The proof presents a series of premises (P-U) that lay the foundation for establishing the Universal Logic/Logos as the self-evident Absolute Truth that underlies all of reality.\nSpecifically, the premises outline that:
\n* Absolute Truth is inherently logical (P)
\n* Well-formed logical proofs are self-evident truths consistent with Logic/God (Q)
\n* A complete set of logical truths is necessarily confirmed by determinable truths/falsities (R)
\n* Absolute Truth is the self-evident and complete Reality with its native Logic (S)
\n* Universal Logic exists independently of beliefs and is essential for thought (T)
\n* Natural Order encompassing Logic/Truth is the self-evident Logical Origin (U)
\nBy deriving a contradiction from these premises taken together, a well-formed logical proof is constructed that validly concludes the Universal Logic is the underlying truth of all existence, independent of subjective opinions.
\nThe argument is logically sound, with clear definitions, valid premises leading deductively to the conclusion. It establishes the Universal Logic/Logos as the Absolute Truth and self-evident Foundation of Reality - God (defined as the Origin of the Universe and its governing Logic) - through rigorous formal reasoning alone. The demonstration stands as philosophically rigorous and the most rational perspective, grounded in first principles coherent with logic's own nature. While individuals are free to disagree, the conclusion follows of necessity from premises accessible to all people of sound mind. In this sense, it achieves universal validity. In sum, no objections undermine the proof's soundness, logical necessity or ability to establish Logos/Logic as God - the sole coherent framework accounting for existence and the preconditions of knowledge. Reason and evidence compel acceptance of this conclusion regardless of subjective viewpoints.\n

QED

Commentary and Analysis:

There is the potential for subjective disagreement, personal objections, and/or criticisms - all a part of Reality. These objections, if denying the Logos (Universal Logic) as the Logical Foundation (God), are incoherent and misguided, as there is no feasible “valid logical argument against the First Cause” whether the First Cause is called Logic, Logos, God, or [Name Here]. However, in order to demonstrate that the proof has contemplated all reasonable perspectives and that alternatives don’t shake the Logos or the proof let me propose some realistic objections that could be made (however irrationally) and the responses Logic or I might provide. 

It is not actually necessary, in Truth, for me to provide these examples, or even any of this proof for my understanding and affirmation of the Essence of Reason (the One True God) to be “rationally supported” by that Essence (God) itself, but since I can and I am to be helpful I will. 

The Logos (Logic as a universal) has no feasible counterargument/alternative, and that is deduced and known through Logic and proof positive, not assumed/guessed as a matter of not having found a refuting counterargument yet:
\nObjection 1: The premises are arbitrary and cannot be proven.
\nResponse: The premises are not arbitrary but rather analyze the inherent properties of fundamental logical/rational concepts like Truth, Reality, through logical operations alone. As such, they require no external proof and are self-justifying in cohering with reason's own nature.
\nObjection 2: The conclusion does not necessarily follow and is based on undefined, subjective terms.
\nResponse: All terms are clearly defined and the deduction is made logically, with the conclusion validly following the premises. The argument establishes Universal Logic/Logos as objective, not subjective.
\nObjection 3: Logic/Reason could emerge from nature and not reflect a transcendent foundation.
\nResponse: For logic/reasoning to be possible at all, their basis must be irreducible, absolute and non-contingent - properties only consistent with a transcendent Logical Origin like Logos. Nature itself depends on Logic for its coherence.\n\n\nObjection 4: The proof is just metaphysical speculation and not scientific fact.
\nResponse: As a philosophical demonstration, the proof aims to establish first principles, not empirical claims. But its conclusions are no less rational and provide the only basis for the order/knowability of nature science observes.\n
Furthermore, the proof itself can be seen as a formalization and written observation of Logos' essence of order. As Logos is established as the universal ordering principle of logic/reason underlying all reality, the very act of rationally organizing logical premises and deductions into a coherent proof serves as tangible evidence of this ordered rationality inherent in existence.
\nThe proof makes Logos' governance of order logically manifest for observation and analysis. In this way, it aligns with and reinforces empirical observation, rather than contradicting it. Both philosophy and science ultimately depend on and confirm the same rational order deduced to be intrinsic to Logos as God.

Indeed if there were a feasible counter-argument I would make it, as it would be a case where I would not want to have gotten this far into Logic and Philosophy and the search for Ultimate Truth and stop short at something less logical than “fully” logical and “Logic”. I stop at Logic as God because that is itself Logic (Full Coherence). In the end, Logic proves itself - as it must to ground proofs and proofs about itself universally.\n","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Maclain Hunter"},"identifier":"1328528cd50fac197c3a1384bf567350e5a56675fdedf3b4ff926a05b46fc706"},{"@type":"CreativeWork","@id":"https://4p-engine.com/q/Q1347#source-bbb36838fd4c5d9742971debabe08b8b4b94f7c66221ee0eda429bac04ec0910","name":"Maclain Hunter — exact supplied archive; embedded attributed testimony is not fresh validation; no uploaded program execution","text":"THE LOGIC OF THE UNIVERSE (LOGOS) AS THE LOGICAL ORIGIN (GOD) ACCORDING TO LOGIC: 

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