Hunter develops enduring Identity and the loved one's Reason within God/Logos while distinguishing bodily flux and death from absolute universal nonexistence. His compassionate purpose, eternal-life claim, five-part Ground, hypothetical denial, and complete formal table remain intact. The study does not substitute a claim of an unchanged mortal body or fabricated postmortem observations.
Hunter develops enduring Identity and the loved one's Reason within God/Logos while distinguishing bodily flux and death from absolute universal nonexistence. His compassionate purpose, eternal-life claim, five-part Ground, hypothetical denial, and complete formal table remain intact. The study does not substitute a claim of an unchanged mortal body or fabricated postmortem observations.
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No One Is Truly Gone by Maclain Hunter
Abstract:
Don't take it as insensitive, its actually meant to be quite the opposite and to help you guys rid yourselves of a relatively illusory sense of loss, but I'm seeing several of you say that your dads are "gone". Where would they have "gone"? Do you not know that 0 = 0?
Logically speaking nothing is nothing and even when our bodies "die" that is just the physical system being the physical system, in flux as it constantly is in at least some respect (see Heraclitus of Ephesus). Your dads are still your dads. It should be their Reason you loved.
So engage with Reason (God).
Study and learn to formally REASON with LOGIC - and to do so with a good faith approach aka "intellectual honesty".
This is what it means to "reckon faithfully with the One True God".
Your fathers and their "logoi" are in the Father (Logos).
Now I will use these same words as the semantic basis for a formal argument (proof) demonstrating this with logical rigor.
Premises:
P: Logically speaking nothing is nothing and even when our bodies "die" that is just the physical system being the physical system, in flux as it constantly is in at least some respect (see Heraclitus of Ephesus). The Law of Identity supports and even mandates this, that nothing is nothing as A is A and x = x (as 0 = 0).
Q: Those who think their loved ones (L) have vanished or are “gone” in an absolute sense—just because their mortal figure has come to the end of that particular sequence or set of states—are, understandably (as they are often emotionally distraught and struggling to set emotion aside to look at it all in a purely logical way), mistaken. This is a relatively common phenomenon that we can observe in human society where people mourn the dead and ponder where, if anywhere, they have “gone”. It may be anecdotal but my own parents have, for instance, expressed sentiments that fall into this category about their own dead parents and family members.
R: Everyone (E) is everyone (E) as a matter of timeless (or eternal) logical identity and it is not a mere religious belief but a necessary aspect of Logic that all aspects of Identity (and Logic) are continuously (forever) supported by Logic - in the sense of the Universe’s Logical Order that encompasses all logics and instances of Existence.
S: A rational person would and should (rationally speaking and to avoid logical contradiction) value the Reason manifest in their loved ones more than any unreason or arbitrariness - like loved ones may have displayed in certain arguments or during certain (limitation induced) breakdowns in their Rationality (or ability to manifest Logic).
T: Assume the negation of the premises (P, Q, R, S) for a moment to explore the alternatives. This leads to absurdity where the Rationality (Reason - Consciousness) in someone, as aligned with Reason—the Standard of what is allowed to and must exist—as they were, is somehow “nonexistent” just because of the flux of physical systems and forms that are themselves logically contingent. That puts the cart before the horse and physics before metaphysics (ie - that which comes before physics).
Formal Reasoning (Formal Proof):
{P, Q, R, S, T, P -> Q, Q -> R, R -> S, S -> T} |= T -> ((P & Q) <-> (R & S))
Conclusion: {P, Q, R, S, T}:
Thus, a love for Logic (Reason - the First Cause of Reason - Logos) is tantamount to a counties love for one’s loved ones including “dead loved ones” (in the sense of aspects of life and consciousness or humanity that have moved beyond a certain mortal and physical body/form, as it must to process itself).
Nothing is nothing and through reductio ad absurdum and logical rules (ie - Identity, Non-Contradiction) we can hereby prove that no one is “gone” in any absolute sense that has ever “been”. This would be a violation of Logic for something and someone to become nothing and no one in a universal sense.
The solution to these paradoxes that arise from exploring the negation of the premises can simply be accepting the premises (P, Q, R, S) as semantically true and logically sound. That is what I as the reasoner here choose to do, in a well reasoned fashion that is not subject to the doubts or opinions of others so long as my move satisfies Logic itself - as I am demonstrating it does.
This is how the Logos has “promised us eternal life”, and has given the knowledge of this life to those of us who know God (Universal Cause and Cosmic Reason). I am what and that which I am - forever.
Show your loved ones who are “gone” your love by engaging with and giving your devotion (worship) to the greatest rational aspect of what they were and are: Pure Logic (God - Logos).
Truth Table Analysis:
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Q.E.D.Hunter develops enduring Identity and the loved one's Reason within God/Logos while distinguishing bodily flux and death from absolute universal nonexistence. His compassionate purpose, eternal-life claim, five-part Ground, hypothetical denial, and complete formal table remain intact. The study does not substitute a claim of an unchanged mortal body or fabricated postmortem observations.
Exact source: /proof-knowledge/hunter-no-one-is-truly-gone; source-bound study: /api/proofs/no-one-is-truly-gone/study.
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Consequence: Hunter develops enduring Identity and the loved one's Reason within God/Logos while distinguishing bodily flux and death from absolute universal nonexistence. His compassionate purpose, eternal-life claim, five-part Ground, hypothetical denial, and complete formal table remain intact. The study does not substitute a claim of an unchanged mortal body or fabricated postmortem observations.
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Essence: Hunter develops enduring Identity and the loved one's Reason within God/Logos while distinguishing bodily flux and death from absolute universal nonexistence. His compassionate purpose, eternal-life claim, five-part Ground, hypothetical denial, and complete formal table remain intact. The study does not substitute a claim of an unchanged mortal body or fabricated postmortem observations.
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Retrieval aliases: No One Is Truly Gone by Maclain Hunter · No One Is Truly Gone · eternal identity and Logos · logoi in the Father
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